Last week I helped a client rollover a 401(k) to an IRA. The IRA was already opened and all we had to do was get online and make the distribution, a few clicks and we were done. Conversely, it could have been done over the phone in just a few minutes. For most 401(k) plans it is a simple thing now to get a rollover processed - not so for non-ERISA Government 403(b).
I just finished the paperwork for a client and have my fingers crossed it will make it to all its destinations and not be rejected along the way - my estimate for time of receipt of rollover funds is anywhere from 60 - 120 days. Here is the process:
Open the IRA if it isn't already.
Contact provider of where 403(b) account is held and receive their paperwork.
Contact the TPA of employer where the client worked and find out if they require paperwork...they do.
Send all the paperwork to the client to sign (this takes a few weeks to get the forms back and may or may not require a phone call to walk through it with them)
Receive paperwork back and fill it out, check for errors.
Create cover page and send both sets of paperwork (Current Vendor and TPA) to the IRA holder so that the IRA can sign that they are accepting the rollover.
Pray that the IRA provider reads the coverage and keeps the originals, signs where required and then forwards the originals to the TPA.
Pray that the TPA approves the request and doesn't require more paperwork and that the TPA actually forwards the originals to the current 403(b) vendor.
Pray that 403(b) Vendor receives back their account paperwork in good working order and an approval from the TPA to process.
As long as all those steps happen, the rollover should happen...should!
Gotta love the 403(b) market.
BTW - the paperwork is having fun traveling, here is a list of its destinations:
Murrieta to Hemet
Hemet to Murrieta
Murrieta to Cincinnati
Cincinnati to Florida
Florida to North Carolina
Check goes from North Carolina to Cincinnati...
Scott Dauenhauer CFP, MSFP, AIF
Monday, September 26, 2011
Thursday, September 15, 2011
Lincoln Financial Group - "...extremely profitable business....403(b)"
Lincoln Financial Group has an interesting press release today about how profitable they are, stating:
With $164 billion in assets under management as of July 1st, 2011, Lincoln Financial Group hopes to further increase their already extremely profitable businesses: annuities, disability, life, and group life insurance, as well as 401(k) and 403(b) and savings plans.I always want the companies doing business in the 403(b) market to be profitable, this leads to better and more innovative services - however it is disturbing to hear a company describing their 403(b) business as "extremely profitable." There is only one way for 403(b) business to be "extremely profitable" and that is on the backs of those participants in their 403(b). Scott Dauenhauer, CFP, MSFP, AIF
Thursday, July 21, 2011
403(b) Regs Waste Enormous Amounts of Money
I'm trying to help a client rollover an account at an old employer in another state. It is a 403(b) and she stopped working for the district back in 1993. It has taken me nearly four months and two paperwork submissions for me to be told that the district can't verify my client ever worked for them - so the plan administrator will not process the rollover. Keep in mind my client has an account that is in the name of that district's plan - thus proof she was employed there. The administrator has had to waste time on this, I've spent several hours on it and now the school district will be forced to go through employment records all the way back to 1993 (which likely means ordering boxes from storage) all so a $5,000 account can be rolled over.
Are you happy IRS? Your regulations could have served to ease the burden on employers and make the 403(b) a better, easier plan -instead it has become an endless drain. Its time to reform the reform.
Scott Dauenhauer, CFP, MSFP, AIF
Are you happy IRS? Your regulations could have served to ease the burden on employers and make the 403(b) a better, easier plan -instead it has become an endless drain. Its time to reform the reform.
Scott Dauenhauer, CFP, MSFP, AIF
Monday, July 18, 2011
A Tale of Two Cities...er, Retirement Plans
A call for revolution in the Government Defined Contribution Retirement plan arena. Click on the link above.
Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Monday, June 20, 2011
TSA Consulting Group Buys Great American Plan Administrators
The good folks over at TSA Consulting Group have dug deep and entered into an agreement to buy Great American Plan Administrators, or GAPA. GAPA was an arm of the commission fixed and equity indexed annuity company Great American. Great American essentially used GAPA as a loss leader to maintain payroll slots or obtain payroll slots. This allowed them to continue to sell their retail fixed and equity indexed annuity products via commission based sales agents.
There is no disclosure as to what, if any agreement was reached as to keeping those payroll slots open when the administration transfers over to TSA Consulting Group. Though it is unlikely they would sell to a company that planned to shut them out.
TSA CG has a big job ahead of them. Traditionally, GAPA offered free administration services to districts, now those districts will have to pay (though I'm pretty sure the structure will be a vendor pay model). All in all, TSA CG is vastly superior to GAPA and this should expand TSA's reach into parts of the country they don't have a presence.
Scott Dauenhauer CFP, MSPF, AIF
There is no disclosure as to what, if any agreement was reached as to keeping those payroll slots open when the administration transfers over to TSA Consulting Group. Though it is unlikely they would sell to a company that planned to shut them out.
TSA CG has a big job ahead of them. Traditionally, GAPA offered free administration services to districts, now those districts will have to pay (though I'm pretty sure the structure will be a vendor pay model). All in all, TSA CG is vastly superior to GAPA and this should expand TSA's reach into parts of the country they don't have a presence.
Scott Dauenhauer CFP, MSPF, AIF
Tuesday, May 24, 2011
LSW, Veritrust & Equita Under Investigation
A California insurance investigator, Mark Colbert is investigating Life Insurance of the Southwest, Veritrust Financial and Equita Financial.
From Mark's website:
You can contact Mark at www.markcolbert.com
Scott Dauenhauer
From Mark's website:
In California, Arizona, Texas, Florida and Nevada, agents who've sold life insurance policies, annuities and/or 403(b) products for The Life Insurance Company of the Southwest (LSW), Equita Financial Group, and/or Veritrust Financial Services (VFS) are currently being investigated.
Insurance victims have claimed agents promised that life insurance policies (also referred to as Life Solutions will be "paid-up" in as few as five to seven years and work just like a ROTH IRA.
If you, or someone you know, owns a Life Solutions plan, you/they are encouraged to have an insurance or financial professional (other than someone at one of the companies named above) review it. I have already seen nearly a hundred of these cases in California and Texas and would be happy to speak with anyone who currently owns one of these policies.
You can contact Mark at www.markcolbert.com
Scott Dauenhauer
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